I get it. I do. But for the love of God, stop encouraging stupid.

"NKato" (NKato)
07/18/2019 at 05:08 • Filed to: None

The shit with Area 51. Donald Trump’s inflammatory rhetoric. The general inability of humanity to stop being a bunch of utter retards. You’re the product of 3.8 billion years of evolutionary success, fucking act like it. /rant

DISCUSSION (20)

pip bip - choose Corrour > NKato
07/18/2019 at 05:19

couldn’t agree with you more.

Spanfeller is a twat > NKato
07/18/2019 at 05:19

trump said something? That is very troubling

Wheelerguy > NKato
07/18/2019 at 05:38

“ F uck that shit. These damn useless, spineless, conniving, virtue-signalling immigrants / women/ colored/gay/youth /progressive/SJW/environmentalist folk ruined it for everybody , but especially for us, honest and closet asscunts who yearn to be free to be selfish, greedy, abusive and self-destructive . They deserve nothing less than the deepest, hottest, most torturous circle of hell for all they’ve done to make this world go to the dogs. We must eradicate them all ! They must burn!”

—some dolt

(See kids? That is what evil truly sounds like. That’s what those bad people in the news who bully others are really saying with their words and acti ons . Don’t think like this. You begin to be evil this way. )

[Though this kind of rhetoric is unsurprising given the seeming failure of progressive movements under Obama, and is something I can kinda see—”You failed! Now we’ll succeed without you! Fuck everything else, a win is a win!”— it is alarming how much support this thought is getting. There are ways to make a progressive, inclusive movement actually work, but just about all the power is concentrated on the people who want to do exactly the opposite.]

[ I feel like we can’t use the playbook they use because that’s malicious and dishonest, but at this point, the only way you can get people to seriously buy in to progressive inclusion is if you really sell the thing aggressively, and even then, it’s tougher to get them to go further than mere bandwagon following and actually work. I don’t think this is merely stupidity, though it is the centerpiece. It’s that they’ve been sold that kind of solution. Everyone who represents all the good in this world must market what they are and what they want people to do to change this situation. ]

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > Spanfeller is a twat
07/18/2019 at 06:08

Yep the world would be a better place if he’d knock that shit off

Well everything would still be pretty shit....but I'd be happier

Maxima Speed > Wheelerguy
07/18/2019 at 07:18

It all boils down to two radically different world views which are utterly and completely irreconcilable. It’s two different views of Good and Evil, two different views on right and wrong. They are diametrically opposed. It used to be at one time, that in the US for instance, the Democrats and Republicans differed on some key points about foreign policy, domestic politics, etc. Politics that may have some effect on the regular citizen but over all you could look at the two and way the balance and decide between two political views. Now I would argue that the two opposing view points are so much more divided down to the very moral fiber of our beings. That it’s not “different means” but “different ends”. Strap in for a wild ride, because if I’m right we aren’t even close the the worst it will get.

merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc > Wheelerguy
07/18/2019 at 07:20

I was hoping that as people see the true colors of Trump and his minions that they would understand that he is a bit extreme and that he doesn’t give a shit about anyone or anything other than himself or his family. I was hoping that they would see the old man yelling at clouds that he is. But it doesn’t seem to go that way. For as much talk that the Republicans do to say the Democrats are spineless, it is sure showing the same is true of the Republicans. I mean, when you can’t call out bad shit for fear of some type of repercussions, then that’s also pretty spineless. Until the whole party says enough is enough, and holds people accountable for what they are saying and doing, it just emboldens them to keep pushing and doing what they are doing. It is disheartening to see the hate and division speak continue unchecked, but I’m still hopeful that for all the people who still follow along and think this behavior is acceptable, that the line they have will be crossed and then they can see what is truly happening. I still believe there are a lot more folks in the middle than at the extremes, and that most of us know we have to work together in some fashion to make things better.

Wheelerguy > Maxima Speed
07/18/2019 at 07:25

But did you watch the racing?

I kid, I kid, but this is a valid take. We’re so far apart and yet it seems like the road is still headed to the same destination. Thing is, though, more places have made positive progress. It’s there, but it’s not significant enough to turn back the tide arse cunts are generating.

Wheelerguy > merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc
07/18/2019 at 07:35

But did you watch the racing?

I still believe there are a lot more folks in the middle than at the extremes, and that most of us know we have to work together in some fashion to make things better.

Life is still good, tho ugh, relatively speaking, so the rest of the world don’t give a fuck . If that good life is encroached the silent rest of the world will probably act by then, and even then it becomes a race on who to blame for that encroachment of comfort. Which shouldn’t happen, but scapegoats are bound to come up. In that case, the question becomes who will bear it. I hope it’s the rich, the powerful old white men, that become scapegoats, rather than the unwashed poor and colored ethnic who somehow are powerful in their powerlessness, a paradox I never seem to understand as an argument .

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc
07/18/2019 at 07:43

The entire situation is dismaying

Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen > NKato
07/18/2019 at 07:59

“ It has yet to be proven that intelligence has any survival value”

- Arthur C Clarke

benn454 > Wheelerguy
07/18/2019 at 08:47

I’m apolitical, so I have no dog in this fight.

Are you being serious with the Good vs. Evil rhetoric? That seems way too simplistic and reductive to pigeonhole people you disagree with like that. I get that the tribalism has a hold of you, but maybe take a breath and step off the ledge?

It feels like everyone has gone insane in the last 20 years sometimes.

Wheelerguy > benn454
07/18/2019 at 09:18

Oh don’t get me wrong, I’m knee-deep in this shit (thanks, Philippine politics! ), but I do put in the effort to keep my actual outlook balanced—that comment is my decision to let the id talk and really show a baser instinct that pervades most political discourse. The noise sounds like that, more or less, and I’d rather codify that now than keep it in my head where it will ferment.

For me, the good vs evil dynamic is tenuo us at best, but I can kinda see how someone else may look at the current situation and proclaim : “oh those guys are evil!” “ Oh those must be the oppressed side that fights back!” With my current investment in national politics here, I’m inclined to think that the killings are real (example take) , but the reactions are too much. If anything, I work hard to make sure tribalism doesn’t affect me, and ensure that both sides could at least see eye to eye, because I know what it can do when taken to the extreme. In the end, I don’t want this kind of problem to be part of my life, but at some point it will, and the question of “who’s wrong?” “Who’s correct?” “Who has everyone’s best interests in mind?” “What’s a good solution to all this shit?” will be answered satisfactorily .

The goal, then, is to make sure that answer is found. It may not be found only in progressive inclusiveness or conservative values, but somewhere between, or it could be a completely new paradigm entirely . To get t h em though, this shit-slinging has to end. How? I have no good ideas .

And believe me: that comment I said up there is not helping. Thank you for the call-out . It did help me clear my perspective and keep me from completely derailing.

CobraJoe > NKato
07/18/2019 at 09:37

The shit with Area 51.

I might be giving too much credit, but I don’t see that as stupid. Someone started a joke, and a million other people decided that they thought it was funny and wanted to be in on the joke. The only stupid I see are the “grown ups” treating it like it’s really going to happen.

fintail > NKato
07/18/2019 at 10:03

Area 51 is a joke that some who should know better take seriously. 45's vile emissions are dangerous and embarrassing for the nation.

Both do kind of make me think of how dumb the average person is, and that half of the population is dumber.

merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc > Maxima Speed
07/18/2019 at 10:43

I don’t think many people are that black and white. There is a lot of gray in the middle. Sure I believe x from the left, but I also believe y from the right.... and so on. The problem as I see it is about the optics and what we are fed through what media. Yes there is a lot of bad out there, but conversely, there is a lot of good as well. And I believe that most folks, given the option, would choose to do the good thing. But we don’t get that message a lot of times, instead we get whatever the media and news organizations want to relay to us. And when you gather a group of folks up together and start chanting shit, it gets into the mob mentality and the go along to get along that too many of us can fall into.

There is much in this world I cannot control, and so be it. But I can choose to do as much good as I can while I lead my family to hopefully do the same. I understand there are folks out there who think different than me, but if you ask them, likely they are trying to do what they feel is best for themselves and their families. And I think more often than not, they want to do it the “good” way not by some subversive, dishonest means. But that’s the one huge problem with this current presidency, is that he has no bones about lying and cheating to get what’s best for himself and his family, and the other powers that be aren’t holding his feet to the fire and calling him out. And I’m not talking partisan lines here, I’m talking the people in his own party need to sack up and call this shit out. The other side of the aisle will call it out all day, while ignoring their own BS, which is also wrong. We need to see the same side of the aisle call out the BS. Politics is pretty screwed up. But to think these folks give a shit about the “common” folk is foolhardy. They just want to get re-elected next time around. Meanwhile the rest of us need to figure out how to work together and understand there are fundamental differences with those around us, but that’s okay. We still want what’s best for ourselves at the deepest root.

That’s one reason Oppo is such a kick ass place to frequent. We all have a lot of differing views on a lot of things, but we can remain civil and not try to change the other persons veiwpoint to our own. We can appreciate that they think and believe what they do, and agree to disagree but remain civil and appreciate when a good point is made, or when someone is full of shit.

And I think there are a whole lot more like us out there, than not like us. So I remain hopeful that the pendulum will swing back to more civil discourse.

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > Maxima Speed
07/18/2019 at 11:02

This is along the lines of my take currently. Historically, the last time our political rhetoric looked like this was the 1850's. Also like then, what we’re having today isn’t really a difference of politics; we’re discovering roughly half of us have a different morality.

nermal > NKato
07/18/2019 at 11:08

But I want to see the aliens!

Also, what should irritate the Ds more than Trump’ s rhetoric is that he knows exactly what he is doing, and they are completely falling for every ounce of it.

DipodomysDeserti > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com
07/18/2019 at 11:27

+1 Jacksonian Democracy

benn454 > Wheelerguy
07/18/2019 at 11:58

Yeah, the stuff with Duterte sounds like something Marcos would do. Not a good look.

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > NKato
07/18/2019 at 13:22

A-greed.

It is striking, people paying a little bit of attention to the 50th anniversary of the moon landing this week. One of the seminal achievements of human history...

After 6 of them, we stopped, because it wasn’t cool anymore, and had to pay for other things... like a police action in SE Asia...

We had a fleet of re-useable spacecraft but once they wore out, we’ve been having to hitch a ride on Russian rockets... and our manned space program is who knows what status... lots of dreams, not a lot of results...

Meanwhile the rest of the culture has devolved into tribalism and acrimony... fake news, straw man arguments, red herrings, navel gazing, and insipid social media mongering, from the bottom to the top of the culture.

JFK said “Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.” and gave our country the impetus to go to the moon, “not because it is easy, but because it is hard!”

MLK said “I have a dream of a day when [people ] will be judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.” [I always think he intended that to also be applied to other physical or special interest group criteria, not just race/skin color ]

Culture and politics now descended to a point not even worth quoting along side such ideals.

How well is that working out 50 years after that? A n event that was a singular achievement for all of humanity... stepping off of our world and onto our orbiting natural satellite, and taking a first step into the cosmos, which we haven’t followed with steps any further.

I am very proud of the multitude of people who did that, standing behind Neil Armstrong. And the people who have advanced society and civilization in positive ways since.

I am not so proud of the other aspects of the societal mentality hasn’t reflected it as much as it should have since, and are still mired in the more base forms of human nature.